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舊 2008-08-13, 17:43   #1
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Riding moguls on a snowboard

I am no snowboarder but I can imagine tackling a mogul field on a snowboard is no easy task.

One of the advices I found is:
Don't try and ride over them and don't try and ride in between them, ride the faces of the moguls. If you ride the face then it actually helps you turn and stops you building up speed and bouncing over every mogul.
Riding moguls down the fall line is one of the most difficult things you can do on a snowboard. You need to be able to turn your board under your body very rapidly. Using the down unweighting technique where you just use your legs to rebound into turns and keep your upper body relatively still compared to normal technique, you only get this with practice and it kills your legs!

Another advice is:
You cannot ride a mogul field using the same techniques you would on a groomer. So forget about carved turns, and say hello to a combination of slid turns, and jump turns, depending on your board or energy levels.
Regardless of technique, the last thing you want in a nasty mogul field is speed, because you cannot easily scrub it off once you have gained it. Any attempt at slowing down is likely to send you skyward when you get it all wrong. So to prevent build up of speed, you need to put in tighter turns, and traverse across the face of the piste dropping height gradually as you go, before putting in another tight turn. While you are traversing, use ze knees so your head (Where possible, and assuming the moguls aren't taller than you are...) stays at a consistent level, and you use you legs and knees like suspension to soak up the different in height as you hit the crests and dips of the moguls. You may be able to pick a diagnoal line across the piste that custs through all the bumps without dropping you too mcuh height, and picking you up all that unwanted speed.
Now, as for those turns... If your board is nice and soft, you can get away with just sliding the back end around really fast without bothering to get a real edge in the surface. A proper beginners skiddy turn! This is easy, as you can pivot more easily on the top of a mogul, because not all the board will be in contact with the snow. This has the added benefit of pushing a whole load of snow off the top of the mogul, and into one of the dips, thus helping to improve the condition of the slope and even it all out for fellow boarders.

Here are some tips I found on the net:
Step 1 -Choose a gentle slope with small moguls for your first few mogul runs.

Step 2 - Enter the moguls by traversing the slope at a mild angle.

Step 3 - Keep your back hand forward. This keeps your stance forward and aggressive.

Step 4 - Allow your legs to suck up as you go up over the mogul and extend as you drop down the back. Imagine your head staying level as your legs act as shock absorbers.

Step 5 - Stop at the top of a mogul and take a moment to notice how your nose and tail hang over on each end, unweighted and begging for a turn.

Step 6 - Turn down the mogul and carve into your next turn through the trough.

Step 7 - Continue using your legs as shock absorbers, but now concentrate on negotiating a path through the moguls with your turns.

Step 8 - Keep your gaze ahead of you to plan your next turn early. As you get better at moguls, start planning three or four turns ahead.
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舊 2008-08-13, 18:20   #2
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i'm imagining myself printing this page ..
holding it in front of me while going down the moguls !!!
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaa !!!
wish me luck boys and girls !!!

ps. any illustrations and/or videos for this !?

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舊 2008-08-13, 23:57   #3
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Step 6 - Turn down the mogul and carve into your next turn through the trough.
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i'm imagining myself printing this page ..
holding it in front of me while going down the moguls !!!
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaa !!!
wish me luck boys and girls !!!

ps. any illustrations and/or videos for this !?
Found this in youtube. looks like more swing then carving. Because of intermediate?


this one looks like carving down mogul:

i love line graphics

此篇文章於 2008-08-14 00:15 被 carver_hk-ski 編輯。.
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舊 2008-08-14, 09:22   #4
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Another serious advice is SPEED CONTROL, which applies to skiing as well
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舊 2008-09-27, 00:35   #5
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hi mike, i ve read those instructions last year and i thought it is not that difficult , and i am sure i can master it after some practices. but after some practice on slope, I gave up to master mogul. it is an extremely difficult skill. i am not discouraging you, but it is very hard. good luck:o
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舊 2008-09-27, 01:20   #6
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hi mike, i ve read those instructions last year and i thought it is not that difficult , and i am sure i can master it after some practices. but after some practice on slope, I gave up to master mogul. it is an extremely difficult skill. i am not discouraging you, but it is very hard. good luck:o
Don't worry about Mike. He waltzes down moguls, but on skis :D Can't imagine him strapping down both feet on a SB :p
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舊 2008-09-27, 11:02   #7
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Don't worry about Mike. He waltzes down moguls, but on skis :D Can't imagine him strapping down both feet on a SB :p
Fish - Thank you for your kind compliment - but I cannot waltz. However, you are right - I cannot imagine I strap my feet on a SB :)
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舊 2008-10-02, 00:27   #8
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I cannot imagine I strap my feet on a SB :)
Have you tried mono ski? ;)
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舊 2008-11-09, 19:07   #9
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way to tired and not worth doing moguls for SB

get to the park!!
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舊 2009-02-03, 21:23   #10
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looks interesting... moguls... will have to try it too! 唔係唔死心
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舊 2012-04-22, 09:13   #11
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Just read another good article of ruding moguls, I quote:

"The technique that the average intermediate rider uses to control speed (i.e. kicking their back foot out and skidding) absolutely does not work in the bumps.

A lot of my own success in the bumps comes from my skiing background in being able to look at the terrain, see lines to ride, spot trouble points and plan alternative tactics to deal with trouble points. But this begs the question of what tactics to use for riding the bumps.

On skis, I talk about 3 basic types of lines for the bumps:
-in the ruts
-across the ruts
-hitting the tops

Whether you're skiing or riding, you can do speed control through turning, edge check or flat ski/board absorption. The key difference between skiing and riding in the bumps is the use of independent leg suspension when riding over a bump. Skiers flex both legs at the same time, riders do one leg at a time. One subtle difference is that skiers can compensate for the uneven snow surface by moving their feet closer together. Although riders have to adapt to having their feet on unlevel surfaces, they are better able to compensate for the potential lateral imbalance this causes because they are traveling laterally.

When you're in the ruts, you can get great speed control by turning on the outside edges of the ruts where the soft snow gets pushed. This works great until the skier made ruts get too deep and narrow for a board to ride smoothly through. For tighter bumps, you need to use more ankle movement to get higher edge angles and sharper turns. Boards generally have tighter turning radii than skis so they should be able to follow the ruts easier. The problem here is when the ruts include ski paths made by skidding edge sets. With the feet wider apart, it's hard to get a board to edge check in the same spot that skiers make.

Going across the ruts is where riders can use the flat board independent suspension thing. Here's where riders have a huge advantage over skiers because their feet are spread apart. Riders are much better able to maintain board to snow contact by stepping down hard on their front foot as they pass over the bump (skiers have to press their toes down with moves that are inherently slower and weaker than simply pushing the whole foot down). It's much easier to do this with a flat board than an edged board. A variation of this technique is to use the front and back faces of each bump to make 270 degree type turns. If you cross the rut going across the fall line, you will approach a bump from the side. Then you can start a turn while going up the face to the top of the bump, do a sharp turn at the top with very little length of edge contact and continue the turn down the back of the bump until the board is across the fall line again. If need be, riders can also edge check for speed control (i.e. kicking the board sharply out of line of the direction of travel, setting the edge momentarily and flexing both legs to absorb momentum) on the face of a bump after they have crossed a rut.

When the snow is soft or the operator is a maniac, a rider can flow down the fall line hopping from bump face to bump face and absorb each landing for speed control. The idea here is that you don't need to kill a lot of speed because you need the speed to be able to clear the ruts. If you can land the board flat on an uphill face of the bump, you can use your legs to absorb the landing and slow your down the fall line speed. But the harder the snow and the steeper the pitch, the more difficult it is to use this tactic.

There are lots of other tactics that can be used in the bumps (e.g. nose rolls and spine leapers), but these either involve subtle variations of the above approaches are a combination of them.

Regardless of which tactic you choose to use in the bumps, the one thing you need to be able to do that 99% of the intermediate back foot pushing riders do not do is BEND YOUR LEGS! For bumps of any decent size this means bending your legs so that the distance between your heels and your butt is 1/3 to 1/5 of the distance of when you are standing upright. If you don't bend your legs this much, you won't be able to absorb to control speed or stay in balance when you flex your ankles, your turns will be late and you will be toast. For the riders that I've worked with, this has been the biggest stumbling block for improving their bump riding."
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舊 2012-04-23, 01:04   #12
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Found this in youtube. looks like more swing then carving. Because of intermediate?


this one looks like carving down mogul:
Just come to Whistler-Blackcomb, I will show you the proper way to ride bumps, on soft/hard boots!

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what would be the general weight distribution on both legs, 50% and 50%?
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